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PostSubject: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:45 pm

ok anyone interfering will be banished


Ieyasu:Please I ask you why do you fight for Ishida? please awner me with your hart and soul
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:01 pm

Yukimura: I fight for him and with him, becuase he is an honrable man.
My father fights for him aswell, which means there must be something good in him, or else my father Masayuki wouldnt be serving him.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:09 pm

Ieyasu:so is that why don't you think I'm honorable I served Hidyoshi untill the end. Can his son lead a country, can your leader Mitsunari lead a whole country? I don't think so he does not have expireance as a leader, I've survived the most fearsome of opponents and this man comes up and thinks he can overcome this well expireanced general. I know this is hard for you but your the true warrior of this land you can change the course of history. Tell me can you overcome me and my brilliant officers?
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:18 pm

Yukimura: You believe I can change history, make it my own.
I like the sound of that, but the only reason you survived any wars is becuause of the Oda, and your vassal Honda Tadakatsu, and Hattori Hanzo.

Without any of those you would of been long gone.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:41 pm

U say there is somthin good in him because ur father fights with him, but yet ur brother fights with us. Now, why do u think that is?
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:46 pm

Yukimura: then my brother is a fool.


( wait whos my brother >_>)

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:50 pm

(Nobukado Sanada, he's in the battle of ueda)
U think ur own brother a fool? Jus like everyone thought nobunaga a fool? Look at what he accomplished
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:53 pm

Yukimura: He's betrayed his own father and me.
And Nobuaga wasnt a fool.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:55 pm

Maybe it's because he saw mitsunari like I see him. Don't you see that my lord wathced and learned from nobunaga's tactics.
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:59 pm

Yukimura: So what, is Ieyasu going to burn people and villages too, and then be burned himself, ironic isnt it?

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:02 pm

my lord is not cruel like that, I do admit that some of his tactics were quite questionable and cruel but in battle his tactics were unmatched not even the takeda could beat him. but i wonder how shigen would have fared in nagashino
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:05 pm

Yukimura: I can see that Lord Ieyasu is not cruel, but he is a bit overconfident.
So are you Masamune.

And without Oda, or Honda, or even Hattori.
The Takeda would have crushed Lord Ieyasu, or maybe he would have found a way t beat them.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:09 pm

yes my lord is quiet resourceful, and u think i'm overconfident what about mitsunari? He thinks jus because the right is on his side he thinks he's goin to win
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:10 pm

Yukimura: I never said he wasn't.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:13 pm

oh, and really Ieyasu got out of mitakagahra without oda because the oda retreated and left them to fend for himself
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:15 pm

Yukimura: that had nothing to do with Lord Ieyasu, that was his vassals giving there life for there Lord.
THEY DIED FOR HIM, like true warriors, Lord Ieyasu just retreated.

It was his men, not him!

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:18 pm

yes, and why did they give theier lives if he wasn't a great leader can u tell me that?
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:20 pm

Yukimura: well, no, but they must have seen something in him, or else they wouldnt of just died for him.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:22 pm

do u wish to know what they see in him, and why great retainers serve him?
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:23 pm

Yukimura: Actually yes, I want to see why so many warriors gave there lifes for him.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:27 pm

they saw potential. Potential of a great leader. i saw this at odawara and I saw why nobunaga faced his doom at honouji. It was because he ws meant to rule he jus needed a mentor and nobunaga was that mentor. and now that potential is starting to take fruit.
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:29 pm

Yukimura: I see, well, i wouldnt mind serving under Lord Ieyasu, but i refuse to betray Lord Mitsunari.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:31 pm

It's because of the oath huh?
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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:34 pm

Yukimura: that, and other things.

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PostSubject: Re: Ieyasu"s Confrince with Yukimura   Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:35 pm

what other things?
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